Appodeal + Amazon = app won't run due to "Google Play Services"

My memory isn’t what it use to and I don’t really pay that much attention to the coming and goings of Corona, but I think the idea of charging for the advertising plugins was Raj’s idea and not Appodeal. Appodeal just made their plug-in free because they owned Corona. 

I feel the real question for the team at Corona is what kind of improvements will we keep seeing in the future or will Appodeal shut it down/move it to maintenance mode? Any one that can throw light on this will be great.

Thanks.

Well, this is again a place where a little communication from Appoal and Corona would go a great distance.

@firerabbit.info, I’d really love to see the actual message that you received because summaries like you just posted are prone to severe miscommunication. For instance, did Appodeal tell you that they no longer support Corona SDK or their SDK for Corona?

This is just me speculating, but karpovpw’s posts on this thread lead me to believe that Corona’s engineers take Appodeal’s Android SDK and iOS SDK and use them to create their (modular) plugin. If this is the case, then there’s absolutely no issue. On the contrary, I’d rather have both Appodeal and Corona’s engineers focus on their key strengths, i.e. Appodeal’s ad platform and Corona’s engine and plugins, etc.

@firerabbit.info & @shivapp, I don’t believe that Appodeal is thinking of ending Corona or putting it to maintenance mode, but without proper communication from Appodeal and Corona’s part, everyone is free to speculate and groups of people speculating by themselves tend to heavily skew towards negative.

Fair enough.  @shivapp already posted their correspondance with Appodeal with Appodeal stating they won’t be supporting Corona SDK anymore.  Here are the two responses I received, one from their Helpdesk, and one from the account management team.

From their management team:

Hi Chris,  I am not sure this question was answered or not. However, I learned that we no longer support Corona and we don't plan to create this build. Let me know if you have any further questions.

From their helpdesk:

Hello Chris! Sorry for the long answer.  Unfortunately, at the moment we do not plan to build Corona SDK for the Amazon network. If we can help you with anything else, let us know!

When I responded and asked if this was Appodeal just not supporting Amazon, or whether Appodeal was just not supporting Corona, they responded:

Yes, Amazon Ads woks fine on Unity

Hope that clears up any severe miscommunication.  I agree there’s lots of speculation as Corona is not the most transparent company, but with the push to open source and the lack of support of Corona’s owners for their own child platform (!!!), I don’t think it’s unwise to start considering succession planning if you earn income on this platform.

We’ve been on Corona for almost 6 years and have built over 20 games with 8+ million downloads on it, including one that made editors choice on Google.  We’ve been big fans and supporters, but we’ve had a series of unaddressed issues over the last few years (GDPR, persistent build issues, etc) and, to us, the writing is on the wall.  Your mileage may vary :slight_smile:

EDIT: I forgot to mention that all responses from Appodeal came nearly at the same time, and my original questions were made 1-2 months ago.  For different parties at Appodeal to respond to me at the same time, after months of wait, and around the same time that other users also received responses, seems to indicate a decision was made at Appodeal and is now being communicated out.  Maybe we’ll see some more news from Corona later.

C

You’re probably right, thanks.  I also wish they’d Open Source it…

That sounds pretty much like the Appodeal responding to you concerning their SDK for Corona, not Corona SDK itself. Still, like you, I hope to hear more from both companies soon, or rather, I need to hear from them.

Definitely!  Sorry if I didn’t communicate that well.  To be clear: Appodeal has communicated to me and others that Appodeal are no longer going to be supporting Appodeal on Corona SDK.  I have not received any communication from Appodeal indicating that they are going to cease/kill Corona itself.  My speculation/comments were around how bizarre and bad it looks when Appodeal won’t support its own child company, but will support competitors like Unity. 

I can’t wrap my head around the business decision of buying a development platform and then ending support to it.  With Appodeal pulling it’s ad support to Corona it reduces the value of Corona, which is a odd thing to do for a company that just bought Corona.

Anyways, agreed, let’s hear from Corona…

It seems like Appodeal is not building for Corona even though they own Corona which is a bit weird. I asked a further clarifying and direct question with Appodeal support

Me: I have a quick question on this. As Appodeal owns Corona and if you are not going to support Corona then is Appodeal thinking of shutting down Corona?

Appodeal Support: Hi! No, just corona will be open source. you can read more about this here - https://coronalabs.com/blog/2018/12/05/its-our-9th-birthday-and-we-have-some-big-open-source-news/

I like both Corona and Appodeal and hope they work more closely. Hopefully we can get an answer from the team at Corona also.

Hello! Thank you for your patience. We still support corona plugin

IMG_20180921_214103-1537772047.jpg?15377 Alexandra from Appodeal

Sorry for all the confusion. I’m trying to get to the bottom of where this is originating. It could be a simple case where a support person mis-understood where we are in our open source rollout and what parts are going to be open sourced… It’s a holiday weekend so I may not be able to sort this out for a while. 

But for now, I would take Alexandra’s response to @agramonte as official.

Rob

Thanks Rob, this is great to hear. Hopefully we can also get a fix for Appodeal plugin for Amazon. 

Yes, thanks Rob.  Happy long weekend.

When everyone is back could we please get an official update from Corona on Appodeal’s plan for supporting its Appodeal SDK with Corona, with confirmation of what markets they will support under Corona (Apple, Google, Amazon, etc)?

Can we also get confirmation on their intention of support for Corona SDK in general?

It is strange that after months of waiting, multiple people at Appodeal have replied to me around the same time as other users, with replies ranging from “We don’t support Amazon under Corona SDK” to “We won’t support Corona SDK at all”.  

I got my response from Appodeal in less than an hour. I asked a direct question: Do you still support the Corona Plugin? That is the answer I got. Maybe it is the glitter of the new office space that has them confused. Or the strange people standing around in random areas.

lol.  The uni-color dress code maybe is at fault…

My questions I’d like answered, in order of assurance:

  1. Will Appodeal continue to support Corona SDK (I would shocked if no, but…)

  2. Will Appodeal continue to support the Appodeal Ad Mediation Plugin for Corona SDK?  (I would hope so, 50/50 on this right now)

  3. Will Appodeal support the Amazon marketplace in the Appodeal Ad Mediation Plugin for Corona SDK?  (I’d be pleasantly surprised if they did)

Appodeal on Amazon has not worked since I started using Appodeal in November.  I know where are manual workarounds.  They have been very clear that they do not and will not support Amazon for Corona SDK (they support it for Unity 100%), and I’m 50/50 on whether they will be supporting the Corona Ad Mediation Plugin at all given everyone’s recent messages from them.  

Crossing my fingers for the Corona response.

Hi Corona.  Any update on this?  I just received a third clarification from Appodeal saying they are ceasing support of the Appodeal SDK in Corona SDK going forward.  Can we please get an OFFICIAL confirmation from Corona that this is true?

I also received an Appodeal announcement of their latest re-organization of their mobile assets, and nowhere did they mention Corona in the release…

Please give us some confidence that Corona is sticking around and Appodeal is going to support it…

I reached out to Appodeal business team again, requesting a clear and direct answer on whether Appodeal was going to support the Appodeal Mediation plugin in Corona.  Here’s my email to their business team:

For my own understanding, can you confirm that Appodeal is ceasing support of the Appodeal Mediation SDK in Corona SDK entirely?  Not just ceasing support for Amazon on Corona SDK?   I understand from talking with your support team that Appodeal is still sticking around with Unity, and that Appodeal works in Unity for the Amazon store. Thanks for your responses on this.  We like Appodeal so much we may advance our migration to Unity if Corona is not going to be supported by Appodeal.

Here is the response I received today:

Apologies for the delay. Yes, we will not support the Corona plugin anymore. But we will support the Unity plugin and the Amazon store.

Note now that I have received multiple confirmations from their support desk, their programmers, and now their business team (my account manager) that Appodeal is no longer supporting the entire Appodeal Mediation Plugin for Corona SDK.

I’m assuming the nil response from Corona is additional confirmation.  For Corona this should have been a slam dunk response of “of course Appodeal is supporting their plugin for Corona SDK”, but there’s only silence.  This is very surprising and unfortunate news that Appodeal will not support their plugin in Corona, even though they bought and own Corona, but Appodeal will support Unity and other Corona competitors.  This is certainly not a good sign for Corona and those of us who have built our games on Corona.

Bah :frowning:

Is Appodeal support still talking about Appodeal plugin for Amazon on Corona or generally Corona support? It feels to me like they are talking about the later but I could have mis-understood this. Time to pick up on Unity or Xamarin maybe? Does anyone know how much of Corona will be open-sourced and will it be purely an open-sourced project?

It is again at this point where I’d like to know what the actual facts are.

If Appodeal isn’t supporting their SDK for Corona, then does it mean that the plugin may stop working any day now and I should not integrate it into my new games, OR is the Appodeal SDK for Corona still supported but by the Corona Labs team instead of Appodeal’s team? Or is the “not supporting” just a reference that the support team at Appodeal will not provide support on how to use the plugin, but that the plugin itself is still being developed?

Rabble, rabble, rabble! I want answers! Rabble, rabble, rabble! I’m off to bed.

Let me be clear on this topic…

Corona Labs has always build and maintained the Appodeal plugin. While we have a more direct line to Appodeal’s SDK developers than we may have with other ad providers, it’s still Corona Labs staff that build and maintains the plugin. We have been trying to get them to take over managing that plugin similar to how Vungle does theirs. In theory this minimizes problems trying to find if a bug is in our implementation or in the SDK and cuts down the time to get the plugin updates in the system. 

Corona Labs is owned by Appodeal but we are a separate company with a separate management structure. So when they say they don’t support the Corona plugin, that’s correct. We build and maintain the plugin.

What becomes problematic for you (and somewhat even to us), is determining if a problem is Appodeal’s issue or a Corona issue. I wish I could give you a clear cut way to divide responsibilities.

Rob

Thank you Rob. This certainly clarifies a lot. Any idea if Corona will fix the Appodeal plugin for Amazon store or maybe provide workarounds?