Gree vs. OpenFeint?

I don’t have any vested interest in Game Minion, but it seems to be a nice, Corona friendly API that services many game network needs.

I’ve not looked at their pricing closely, but like anything, if you’re successful, you can afford to pay for your network infrastructure, if your not, 1M api calls and 1M push notifications is a lot of free networking.

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I don’t think OpenFeint will stop working anytime soon. Just think of how many games use Openfeint on the app store. Even games that go back to the early days of the app store, with developers who aren’t hopping on the bandwagon to update to ‘new technology’. If Openfeint was all of a sudden canceled, that would cause quite a bit of chaos in the app store… [import]uid: 7116 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110677[/import]

@AlexGreene,

Unfortunately you are mistaken in thinking that just because a lot of people use OpenFeint it will stay around for a long time to come. I have heard different dates of when it will no longer be supported. Ansca says it will be supported until the end of the year. Gree says July of this year.

If that isn’t enough information then you might want to read the response I received from Amanda at Gree:

Your inquiry to the OpenFeint developer center has been forwarded to me.

I understand that you were unaware that GREE had purchased OpenFeint in April of 2011. There was considerable press coverage at the time, and we have also sent out several developer newsletters since then, in addition to altering the narrative on our web properties. I’m sure that you’ve been very busy making games however, and of course there is no reason you would have been aware.

Our support of Corona in OpenFeint was minimal at best, as it is not a tool that many of our partners were using.

Unfortunately the demand for it was so low that when deciding which software to support in the new GREE Platform we had to figure out where to place our resources and Unity and HTML5 are in high demand.

I’m so sorry this is causing you inconvenience.

We will be conducting a webinar on Friday june 1st - about how to migrate titles to the new platform. The link and invitation are here below, if you are able to attend, you may find it a useful way to get some more of your questions answered.

You should expect the lights to go out on OpenFeint much sooner than you’d like. [import]uid: 16734 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110684[/import]

I wonder what Apple thinks of this. [import]uid: 7116 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110685[/import]

@KenRogoway Wow that was a little aggressive I thought, she could have said that in a more professional way. [import]uid: 144378 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110686[/import]

@Alex,

I don’t know why Apple would care. If anything they would probably be glad that OpenFeint will be gone; figuring it will mean more people will code for Game Center.

@M-Game,

I didn’t take it as aggressive. Seemed pretty matter-of-fact as if to say “people” should have known for some time. They have also said that Ansca knew for some time about the switch to Gree. So you should be bugging Ansca to add Gree support to Corona as soon as possible. [import]uid: 16734 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110689[/import]

Well Gree will just replace Openfeint, so Apple shouldn’t be happy. They might be annoyed because now there will be thousands of app icons bearing the Openfeint logo, with app descriptions claiming Openfeint, but wait… no Openfeint. If there’s one thing Apple doesn’t like, it’s chaos and unorganization. [import]uid: 7116 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110692[/import]

I don’t follow you. If the apps stop working (at least their leaderboards and achievements) then developers will be motivated to replace the app with something using Gree or Game Center. Apple doesn’t need to get involved at all other than when 1000 users complain the app is broken. [import]uid: 16734 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110694[/import]

Hey guys - I want to make a few quick comments on this.

Openfeint (now Gree) has traditionally been very hard to communicate with, as can be seen from the mixed messages we are getting from them, and the lack of real info on the new site. The first we knew about OF potentially going away was when Ken posted about it on this thread and I reached out to their dev relations.

What we (Ansca) know right now:

  1. About OF and how long it will be around: I exchanged emails with one of their developer relations people and he said that OF will be up and running through the end of the year at least. At that point they would evaluate whether it stays live longer.

So, I *think* that any games using it now are safe for several more months. Of course, this may change.

  1. About new Gree SDK: They (Gree) obviously want to move people to their new SDK, hence the lack of info about OF on their site. However, I was also told that the SDK is currently in open beta. This usually means that it is still changing significantly. It is not a good idea for us to put an SDK like that into Corona SDK - it will just be bad news for everyone. Plus, it’s not clear to us that Gree will be the best option out there yet.

So, we are evaluating the situation, and at least waiting until they come out of beta to commit to it.

In the meantime we are talking with other companies. I know the GameMinion guys have posted here and I would encourage people to give them a try (and let me know what you think :wink:

I am trying to find out more and will let you know if and when I learn anything. Feel free to email me with questions/comments: david AT anscamobile
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Hy guys, i have a problem. I still see my game’s leaderbord through openfeint/gree web site, but if i try to open it in the app it won’t go. The loading logo run continuosly.
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@shark.androidlab
There seems to be an issue with Open Feint on android. I had the same issue where Open Feint would be stuck on loading on android but would work fine on iOS. Our game is currently in review, I decided to pull it from review in all stores and take out Open Feint. It’s just not worth the headache at this point. Besides we were only using it for the achievements and created our own online leaderboards. [import]uid: 126161 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 110977[/import]

My garme was rejected by Amazon because of open feint. They said when they launched the app it tried to goto OF but got a blank screen. So I’m killing of and will launch on amazon/android/nook with out it
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Same here infinate loading in openfeint when trying to access the dashboard. :frowning: Looks like its time to roll my own Leaderboards. I guess mysql would be a good thing to learn anyways. [import]uid: 39088 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 111034[/import]

Ok thanks to all of you. I’ll see what i can do :wink: [import]uid: 70625 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 111035[/import]

Are people still getting this, or was it a temporary problem with OpenFeint?

If it is still happening then it probably means Gree has pulled the plug on OpenFeint and it’s time to remove my support for OF from all my apps. [import]uid: 16734 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 111095[/import]

OF still seems to work fine on our iOS title, we had massive trouble getting it to work on Android though and just ditched it. We had the exact same problems others mentioned where it would just go to a white screen, on the OF side, everything said it was fine and activated.

Going to look into Game Minion, sounds like it covers off a lot of the deficiencies that existed with OF, really all you had available to you were the Leaderboards and Achievements. Game Minion sounds like it’ll have a whole gamut of fun.

Guess when OF finally shuts down, we’re going to have to pull the support from our current title. Really made the decision easy on whether or not we were going to use it on the title we’re currently working on! Nope!

@GameMinion, will your Push Notifications support the ability to have clickable URLS? That is going to be super important to a lot of us for Cross Promoting our apps with other developers. [import]uid: 54327 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 111105[/import]

This is still happening on my end. Scores still get posted as I can see them on the openfeint developer page. Dashboard and leaderboards still at an infinate loop. Funny thing though, openfeint still works for other games. My leaderboards were working fine a couple weeks ago on my device. Ive done updates since then, but from what I’m reading seems like it might not be my code. [import]uid: 39088 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 111155[/import]

I’m trying to decide on what to go with, since OF is now out of the question I’ve been looking into Scoreoid, never heard about Game Minion though will have to check that out and compare it with Scoreoid for my final decision.

EDIT: I think I’m going to use the free option (Scoreoid) in this case, Game Minion seems to provide some nice features such as multiplayer and social connect, but since I don’t need them Scoreoid is the natrual choice.
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Just an update on the openfeint infinite loading. I am no longer having these issues. Leaderboards load and so does the dashboard. It was definitely on the openfeint side of things because I did not update my app and leaderboards just started working on their own.

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I can’t believe GREE spends $104 million on OpenFeint and doesn’t hit the ground running with it. They are going to lose so many customers in this awkward transition. Game Minion, Game Center, and similar services are going to take a huge market share in this clumsy acquisition. Typical Japanese business…extremely slow to adapt and out of touch with customers.

I think most of us have website and can just make our own databases for high scores and such. Does any one know an easy way to access/change a MySQL database (or maybe another format) from within Corona? I have no idea how to do this but maybe someone smarter out there could be so kind as to offer his or her two cents?

Thanks! [import]uid: 94309 topic_id: 26768 reply_id: 112821[/import]