Google expects us to collect taxes in Google Play/Android Market????

Recently uploaded my first app for Android in Google Play, and saw the fine print. Apparently, Google expects us to set and collect the taxes for 50 different states and dozens of different countries, and then pay them to the appropriate governments!

Are you freaking kidding me???

Apple does this for me. How in the world would an indie developer be able to handle all of this?

What are all of you doing with Google? Are you collecting taxes, or ignoring it?

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Pretend like you didn’t see it. [import]uid: 147305 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108116[/import]

I might, except today Google posted that they are going to start automatically collecting AND distributing back to the developer VAT taxes for a ton of countries, mostly in Europe. There doesn’t seem to be a way to avoid this. Ignoring collecting taxes is one thing, but getting taxes sent to your and not paying out is another!!! No thanks! I don’t want any part of that.

I’m assuming Amazon App store (which is only in America) and B&N don’t have this issue!!! [import]uid: 115085 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108119[/import]

Interesting… glad I don’t seem to actually sell anything in Google’s market :slight_smile: [import]uid: 147305 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108121[/import]

By choice, or you’re just not seeing much sales in there? [import]uid: 115085 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108123[/import]

Not as much in sales but to be fair it’s been less than week since I started converting my apps to Corona and putting them up there. They also are just music education apps so far so not like I was expecting a boom :slight_smile: Even so, on App Store I always get sales immediately.

But back to your original post, I have no intention of keeping track of that stuff. If it is a problem I’ll just remove my apps and say c-ya to that market. [import]uid: 147305 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108128[/import]

Yeah, I’ve only been up a couple of days, but the App Store is busier. But then again, I expected that, based on what other Devs were saying.

I think I may have misread Google’s post today. I think IF you do have your tax settings set to collect taxes, then they will automatically be added to the list price in those VAT countries. If you have it set to not collect taxes, then nothing changes.

Any other Android Devs out there concur with that? [import]uid: 115085 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108131[/import]

In the UK, if you are a company and turn over more than £77000 a year then you must be VAT registered and are liable for VAT on what you sell. In this case you must collect the VAT from the consumer otherwise you will be liable to pay it yourself from company profits.

If you are not VAT registered then you don’t need to collect or pay VAT. [import]uid: 77943 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108275[/import]

> If you are not VAT registered then you don’t need to collect or pay VAT.

That’s not true. I mean,you have to register for VAT if you’re selling to EU customers.
I’m actually looking right now into selling in Google Play but it’s really a mess if you want to sell in Europe (and your business is not in EC).

Basically what I’ve found is: if you’re a non-EC business selling to EC customers (B2C), you are required to collect VAT for the Member State where the customer belongs.
This means that non-EC businesses have to register separately and account for VAT in each and every Member State.

For example, a Canadian business with customers in the UK, France and Spain would have to register in, and submit declarations to each of those Member States.

However, as an alternative, you have the option of registering electronically in a SINGLE Member State of your choice and accounting for VAT on your sales of electronically supplied services (apps) to all EC consumers on a single quarterly on-line VAT declaration which provide details of VAT due in each Member State.

For example, a US business register in the UK, its customers are in UK, Germany and Italy. The US business charge UK VAT to UK customers, German VAT to german customers and Italian VAT to Italian Customers.
Then, the business enters the VAT for each member state on the appropriate lines of the electronic declaration and send the payment to the UK tax agency (the UK tax agency then give the collected VAT to the other countries authorities).

I’m not making this up, you can check here: http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageLibrary_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_029955&propertyType=document#P1141_145418
So, it’s like that. You’re expected to register in a EU country and collect and submit VAT per each country in the EU, according to your sales per country.

But is it really necessary if my sales are very small? Is there a threshold right? I really hoped under a certain threshold it would be ok to don’t collect and submit VAT… but unfortunately I was wrong… The UK HMRC is also answering to this question:
Q: “20.13 My sales of electronic services to EC consumers are small. Do I need to register for the special scheme?”
A:“There is no threshold for registration under the special scheme. Although your sales of electronically supplied services to EC consumers may be small or even occasional, the special scheme enables you to register, submit declarations and pay VAT in the single EC Member State of your choice. If you choose not to register under the special scheme, the normal rules (including VAT registration thresholds) will apply. In contrast to the special scheme, these may require you to register and account for VAT in most Member States where your customers belong.”
(http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageLibrary_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_029955&propertyType=document#P1182_151797)

I would like to start selling Android apps in the EU, but I’m still thinking if it’s worth it or not.
I mean, I’m required to add VAT to my apps per country, collect the VAT. Then every 4 months I have to calculate the VAT for each EU country, submit the VAT online and send the payment to the VAT authorities in the EU country.
You’re not really “losing money”, since VAT is a value added tax, so if you set the price of your app to “X”, it’s going to cost “X”+“V” (V= VAT) in a EU country, and then you’re paying the EU only that “V”… But still, I hate this accounting stuff! :frowning:

Note: I’m not an accountant or a lawyer, so can’t tell you if it’s exactly correct. But I’m pretty sure the “you don’t need to collect VAT if you’re outside EU” it’s not correct.

Here’s everything on the subject:
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageLibrary_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_029955&propertyType=document
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And yet, I don’t have to do any of this nonsense with Apple and their app store.

Google should take care of this as well.
What’s the downside to not collecting VAT if you live in the US? It’s not like they can fine me. It’s not like I collected something and then didn’t pay it. [import]uid: 115085 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108578[/import]

I know it’s crazy.
Basically Apple is taking care of everything (if you check the revenue per app in EU you’ll see that Apple is already paying VAT), since the price of the apps in the iTunes AppStore includes VAT. Instead on Google Play, from what I understand, you set a price and then on Checkout it applies VAT according to the customer country.

Anyway, I still don’t know what to do, need to talk with my accountant a little more.

In the end, is not extremely complex, I mean, you can get a VAT number online and then you can submit the VAT collected quarterly.
The boring part is that you have to calculate the VAT from each EU country and I don’t know how are the Google Checkout reports. I mean, if they don’t give you nicely formatted reports in CSV or stuff like that you’re going to end up spending a lot of time just to keep track of this…

Honestly, I don’t think the EU is going to send tax collector super agents to track you down if you don’t collect and pay VAT, at least if your revenue from a single EU country is low. But I think if you’re getting constantly some thousand dollars/month from a EU country well… I don’t know what’s going to happen.

Better talk with an accountant or a lawyer (one problem is that also many accountants don’t know well this kind of digital download stuff).
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Oh, and I suspect all this mess is because Google wants to push developer to release free apps with Ads (admob) instead of promoting paid apps. [import]uid: 9158 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 108596[/import]

I’ve been looking into porting my apps to Android as well and came acrosse the same info as here and it makes my head hurt. Is it really so that google expects you to handle the tax payment to each country for them? With Apple you dont need to worry about this… and if I have to do that its a no go for me. I dont want to spend all my time filling out paperwork and I doubt I will sell so much I can afford someone to do it for me.

Guess the option is to make it free with ads but I really hate ads. [import]uid: 17969 topic_id: 26679 reply_id: 112627[/import]

I am also looking for porting the apps. I have asked an android app development company to do further proceeding in helping me out from this.
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